Regarding whether it's more appropriate to count a total ballot gap or a Harris ballot gap:
One of ways fraud was alleged was the use of voting machines that were easily hacked. It was PROVED in a Kansas county that a voting machine flipped the votes for small race, for example.
So a similar vote total of the sum of Harris and Trump votes does nothing to "debunk" claims that votes were flipped from Trump to Harris.
Well, there's the question of the vote split, but the "20 million vote gap" conspiracy people were trying to work up was with respect to total votes, period.
This is like the people going on about COVID deaths in 2020.
It's a lot easier to start with the totals, and then we can get into the splits.
So I'll start with this one. I can get into the splits later if there really is a question there, but some of the "I'm just asking questions" people are asking some extremely basic questions about politics which indicate lack of experience. Like, never having run into the very common situation of politicians from the same party in the same election year getting highly disparate results. Local politics can get really interesting.
The latest overall total (12:20PM Central time) is that Kamala Harris has a 12.1 million "ballot gap" from Biden's 2020 totals. Trump's totals are only 0.7 million below what he had in 2020.
I have been putting together a spreadsheet of my own to calculate the "Harris ballot gap", since I haven't been able to find anyone else's spreadsheet or chart to borrow. I did borrow wikipedia's chart from the 2020 election as a starting place.
My spreadsheet has data from some states dating from Wednesday night, some from last night and some from this morning. If I add up the numbers I have inputted from each state, Harris's votes are 120,000 "out of date" in total. I just updated the highest population states you mentioned above that have low vote counting completion percentages. That said:
The "Harris ballot gap" for California is 5,013,630 with 57.6% of the vote counted. By the way, last night California was shown as having 58% of the vote counted. California is a disgrace. Anyway, if we were to assume that the remaining ballots go the same percentage to each candidate, Harris would get 4.5 million more votes.
That leaves a 7.6 million Harris "vote gap".
Let's remember what the 2020 election turned on.
Trump lost Arizona by less than 11,000 votes - 11 electoral votes.
Trump lost Georgia by less than 12,000 votes - 16 electoral votes.
Trump lost Wisconsin by less than 21,000 votes - 10 electoral votes.
If those had gone to Trump the election would have been a 269-269 tie in the electoral college.
Trump lost Pennsylvania by 80,555 votes - 20 electoral votes.
I didn't think about the election being stolen in 2020, or 2021 or 2022. It wasn't until 2023 when I saw "2000 Mules", saw Mike Lindell's video, and saw the charts of the votes in those states in the middle of the night that started to understand what happened.
Mail in ballots are inherently insecure. In the last 10 years or so many states started allowing ANYONE to cast a mail in ballot, whereas previously it was only available to overseas military and people who couldn't come to voting polls. California and other states no longer require photo ID to vote. We need secure elections.
I took a deeper dive into California's numbers and found that their estimation of counted votes is based on 2020 votes. They allow 7 days for mail in ballots to trickle in, but get this - in 2020 mail in ballots could trickle in until Nov 20. That's 17 days after the election. Thus we can safely assume that the percentage of votes tallied today is at least as much as it was by the equivalent day in 2020.
On Thursday Nov 5, 2020 as of 6:40 PST, 74.6% of Biden's final vote had been counted. If we assume that percentage has been counted in California, then Harris only has 2.1 million more votes coming. That leaves an almost 10 million vote gap.
Regarding whether it's more appropriate to count a total ballot gap or a Harris ballot gap:
One of ways fraud was alleged was the use of voting machines that were easily hacked. It was PROVED in a Kansas county that a voting machine flipped the votes for small race, for example.
So a similar vote total of the sum of Harris and Trump votes does nothing to "debunk" claims that votes were flipped from Trump to Harris.
Well, there's the question of the vote split, but the "20 million vote gap" conspiracy people were trying to work up was with respect to total votes, period.
This is like the people going on about COVID deaths in 2020.
It's a lot easier to start with the totals, and then we can get into the splits.
So I'll start with this one. I can get into the splits later if there really is a question there, but some of the "I'm just asking questions" people are asking some extremely basic questions about politics which indicate lack of experience. Like, never having run into the very common situation of politicians from the same party in the same election year getting highly disparate results. Local politics can get really interesting.
The latest overall total (12:20PM Central time) is that Kamala Harris has a 12.1 million "ballot gap" from Biden's 2020 totals. Trump's totals are only 0.7 million below what he had in 2020.
I have been putting together a spreadsheet of my own to calculate the "Harris ballot gap", since I haven't been able to find anyone else's spreadsheet or chart to borrow. I did borrow wikipedia's chart from the 2020 election as a starting place.
My spreadsheet has data from some states dating from Wednesday night, some from last night and some from this morning. If I add up the numbers I have inputted from each state, Harris's votes are 120,000 "out of date" in total. I just updated the highest population states you mentioned above that have low vote counting completion percentages. That said:
The "Harris ballot gap" for California is 5,013,630 with 57.6% of the vote counted. By the way, last night California was shown as having 58% of the vote counted. California is a disgrace. Anyway, if we were to assume that the remaining ballots go the same percentage to each candidate, Harris would get 4.5 million more votes.
That leaves a 7.6 million Harris "vote gap".
Let's remember what the 2020 election turned on.
Trump lost Arizona by less than 11,000 votes - 11 electoral votes.
Trump lost Georgia by less than 12,000 votes - 16 electoral votes.
Trump lost Wisconsin by less than 21,000 votes - 10 electoral votes.
If those had gone to Trump the election would have been a 269-269 tie in the electoral college.
Trump lost Pennsylvania by 80,555 votes - 20 electoral votes.
I didn't think about the election being stolen in 2020, or 2021 or 2022. It wasn't until 2023 when I saw "2000 Mules", saw Mike Lindell's video, and saw the charts of the votes in those states in the middle of the night that started to understand what happened.
Mail in ballots are inherently insecure. In the last 10 years or so many states started allowing ANYONE to cast a mail in ballot, whereas previously it was only available to overseas military and people who couldn't come to voting polls. California and other states no longer require photo ID to vote. We need secure elections.
Yeah, I don't know what the 2020 data are by state. I could probably find it.
California allows for ballot harvesting -- legally. It will be interesting to compare the 2020 and 2024 California results.
I took a deeper dive into California's numbers and found that their estimation of counted votes is based on 2020 votes. They allow 7 days for mail in ballots to trickle in, but get this - in 2020 mail in ballots could trickle in until Nov 20. That's 17 days after the election. Thus we can safely assume that the percentage of votes tallied today is at least as much as it was by the equivalent day in 2020.
On Thursday Nov 5, 2020 as of 6:40 PST, 74.6% of Biden's final vote had been counted. If we assume that percentage has been counted in California, then Harris only has 2.1 million more votes coming. That leaves an almost 10 million vote gap.